Noob and his GF(beginner help needed) - Guild Wars Forums

atos21 · May 15, 2008, 11:13 PM // 23:13

So I and my gf just bought Nightfall and need a little guidance.
We both play wow and are not new to MMO's, but we really want a break from all this community stuff and just want to play with just the two of us. So I got a couple of questions:

1. Which classes complement each other? I did a bit of research and Dervish/warrior sounds like something I want to do, what class would go good with that? Do you even really need to play classes that complement each other to succeed?

2. Can the two of us beat this game? Or henchmen arent enough?

Any other tips for newbs would be appretiated.

THanks

Breakfast Mc Rit · May 15, 2008, 11:21 PM // 23:21

A Dervish and a Monk would compliment each other in my opinion, but any two classes should do well enough together considering your experience playing together.

If you play together all of the time, you'll both have heroes to fill the rest of the slots. If you're particularly good at the game you'll be able to do most, if not all of the game without outside help.

anonymous · May 15, 2008, 11:24 PM // 23:24

1. To compliment a dervish bring a class that does damage. Damage + damage = more damage. The faster you kill things the better. Another choice would be a monk so you could stay alive, but I find heroes work fine in most cases.

2. I've beaten all 3 games with a friend and 6 heroes or just me with heroes/hench. You can do the same.

ElinoraNeSangre · May 15, 2008, 11:37 PM // 23:37

My husband and I usually try to pair a caster with a non-caster. For instance, we're playing Prophecies with a Ranger/Mesmer, Nightfall with a Ranger/Ele, and Factions with Ele/Warrior. As just some ideas of what we've done. However, heroes fill out everything just fine, so your absolute best bet is play what you like to play.

Maca · May 15, 2008, 11:39 PM // 23:39

1. It really doesn't matter, she can pick any class she wants since you dont ""really need to play classes that complement each other to succeed" in GW. Well thats just my expirence and opinon.Btw. how come you get to pick a class and not her!?:P
2. and yes, with Heros ( which you get in NF) and henchs. you can beat whole game alone.

**cosyfiep** · May 15, 2008, 11:49 PM // 23:49

my husband and I RARELY play with anyone other than us (and the heroes and henchies)....its very feasible, and quite a lot of fun as well.
If you want to play melee, you lady friend could play any of the caster classes---since you are thinking dervish I am thinking you will be playing nightfall and will then be getting heroes to complement what ever area you are missing out in....so she can play whatever she wishes (paragons while a melee class also can heal and other such things so dont rule them out either).

Have a great time playing together and welcome!

Stormlord Alex · May 15, 2008, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by atos21

1. Which classes complement each other? I did a bit of research and Dervish/warrior sounds like something I want to do, what class would go good with that? Do you even really need to play classes that complement each other to succeed?

Generally, to compliment your Dervish - who should be doing big damage - she can play as a necromancer (skills like [barbs] compliment physicals very well); or a Paragon (because they laugh at PvE... paras rock). Really though, just ler her pick whatever class looks coolest - with 6 heroes between the two of you, they can do the work whilst you two look pretty together.

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2. Can the two of us beat this game? Or henchmen arent enough?

Easily beaten - just about every PvE zone can be cleared with 2 humans and 6 heroes with ease.

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Any other tips for newbs would be appretiated.

Kill stuff and do big damage. The dervish has the hardest-hitting weapon in the game and should use it as such. It's not like the WoW you know with the whole tanking thing going on, melee classes kill shit and damage from mobs is absorbed on layers of defense from backline casters - [[aegis], [[enfeebling blood], [[ward against melee] and the like.

The Meth · May 15, 2008, 11:59 PM // 23:59

Since you are in nightfall take some extra time to learn about all of the classes if you can and get some good builds on your heroes. Whatever classes you are playing heroes are very good at filling in the gaps. Every character gets a number of free 'hero skill points' which give free skills for both yourself and heroes, and if you want a specific skill for a hero you can pvp and spend 1k faction to unlock it for them. In fact, 99% of the time well set up heroes will be better then the people you will find in outposts. But they have to be set up well, if you set them up bad they will perform bad.

kazjun · May 16, 2008, 02:16 AM // 02:16

1. Ultimately, with 8 man parties, you can both play whatever class you like and fill in the rest of the slots with your heroes. It's good to have at least one human play melee, cause if you ever need to go trinity, you'll need someone who can control aggro and knows how to corner block etc. Heroe's aren't so good at that type of positioning. Having a human healer of some sort is also really useful, cause when you get quests where you have to protect and keep some NPC alive, having a human who knows to prot and heal the NPC will make things much easier.

Also, go a class you can both stand to play. You may want to go melee, and if she goes monk she can heal and you can do a lot of stuff just the two of you, no heroes or henchies. But I'd say that monking is almost like a life style choice. Some people enjoy monking and keeping things alive, others can't stand it and get bored very easily, just making red bars go up.

2. Yes, two people with 6 heroes can easily beat all three campaigns and the expansion. With two people and 6 heroes you'll also be able to do the elite areas later as well, once you get some experience.

Anyway, welcome to Guild Wars.

Master Ketsu · May 16, 2008, 07:13 AM // 07:13

It doesn't matter what classes the both of you play as long as your team brings a decent balance of healing / protection / utility / damage then your fine in pve.

Just be sure that you and your GF both have 3 heroes. Always use the hero's instead of henchies. Henchmen can only be controlled as a group and to say that their builds suck would be an understatement.

strcpy · May 16, 2008, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Originally Posted by atos21

1. Which classes complement each other? I did a bit of research and Dervish/warrior sounds like something I want to do, what class would go good with that?

There are two questions here and I'm not sure which one you mean. Do you mean would a Dervish/Warrior make a good character? Yes, very much. The other is would you playing a Dervish and her playing a warrior work well? Well, yes, but probably not what most would consider the best.

Were I to play with two humans I would try and make on melee and the other caster - that way you have both areas of the battlefield (front and back line) covered with something with a real brain. It doesn't really matter which ones - though if you wanted *me* to say I would say a warrior and a paragon simply because I think they are the easiest two classes to play in their respective roles. However neither of the two are remotely the classes I like to play (Dervish, Necro, and Ele) and in the end there is little difference as far as ability to complete the game is concerned.

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Do you even really need to play classes that complement each other to succeed?

Nope, the game mostly revolves around team work. If you have heroes you can get some nice full team builds and if you two work well together then your heroes will. You could go any/any and rip through the game once you understand how things work. Pick classes you find interesting as this will benefit you more than gaining an extra 5% efficiency of picking the "best" combination. Heck a random group of horridly specced humans that know the area and can work as a team will win. Just be aware that if you are having issues completing a level that you can't simply overpower it like other games - you *have* to learn the area and said teamwork. Many find teamwork and knowledge harder to do than grind a few more levels or gear so don't think this makes it trivial to go through the game.

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2. Can the two of us beat this game? Or henchmen arent enough?

I have not found an area of the game that I can't complete on any mode with me, three heroes, and the rest hech (except, of course, the areas that do not allow me to play with hench). So yes, you will can do quite well. However I can't really say if you will or not as I don't know how good a player you are. As I said earlier in GW you can't simply power your way over something as it has a low level and item cap. Normal mode story line parts are pretty much doable by anyone though you may find you need to ask the community a tactics/build question (then again you may not) - hard mode stuff will depend on your (and your partners) ability.

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Any other tips for newbs would be appretiated.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Main_Page
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

will answer 99% of your questions if you look in the right places (including this one) - bookmark them and read them.

Ben-A-BoO · May 16, 2008, 08:14 AM // 08:14

Hey,
The best advice came from ElinoraNeSangre so far ... play what you like. You will get all (heroes) that you two need to 'finish' the game.

However, I'll advice to go for Dervish and Paragon if Nightfall is the only Guild Wars campaign you own. This is for the reason that both classes were introduced to the game in this campaign and you will have almost all the skills at your disposal. Other classes have skills that you'll only can get if you own another campaign. Which can be frustrating. Other classes have on the flip side more potential to grow with you if you plan to purchase the other campaigns as well in the near future ... choices choices ... But the beauty of Guild Wars is that it does not need as much grind as WoW and many people have 6-8 max level characters ... so just get out there and test what you like best.

And last but not least...
A Warm welcome to Guild Wars. Have fun.

PyrAnkh · May 16, 2008, 08:16 AM // 08:16

For dervish, there are many bad examples in this topic. (no, d/n for barbs is a really bad idea).

D/W is okay, you get acces to interupts like distracting blow, and you could use rush as a free speedboost (since you do not require adrenaline anyway).
D/E is quite good if you use it with conjure *element*, say conjure flame and a fiery scythe.

D/Mo could be usefull, just watch that you dont end up taking anything to heal other players or yourself too much. You can think of mending touch, though.

D/A gives you acces to a teleport...and thats about it.
D/Me might be usefull for hex breaker.

Elena · May 16, 2008, 06:02 PM // 18:02

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Originally Posted by PyrAnkh

For dervish, there are many bad examples in this topic. (no, d/n for barbs is a really bad idea).

D/W is okay, you get acces to interupts like distracting blow, and you could use rush as a free speedboost (since you do not require adrenaline anyway).
D/E is quite good if you use it with conjure *element*, say conjure flame and a fiery scythe.

D/Mo could be usefull, just watch that you dont end up taking anything to heal other players or yourself too much. You can think of mending touch, though.

D/A gives you acces to a teleport...and thats about it.
D/Me might be usefull for hex breaker.

he was meaning for a necro primary to use hexes to compliment his scythe

D/W = wild blow = no stance on enemy ( yeah i'm looking at you kournan rangers

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May 15, 2008, 11:13 PM // 23:13	#1
atos21 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2008	Noob and his GF(beginner help needed) So I and my gf just bought Nightfall and need a little guidance. We both play wow and are not new to MMO's, but we really want a break from all this community stuff and just want to play with just the two of us. So I got a couple of questions: 1. Which classes complement each other? I did a bit of research and Dervish/warrior sounds like something I want to do, what class would go good with that? Do you even really need to play classes that complement each other to succeed? 2. Can the two of us beat this game? Or henchmen arent enough? Any other tips for newbs would be appretiated. THanks

May 15, 2008, 11:49 PM // 23:49	#6
cosyfiep are we there yet? Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: in a land far far away Guild: guild? I am supposed to have a guild? Profession: Rt/	my husband and I RARELY play with anyone other than us (and the heroes and henchies)....its very feasible, and quite a lot of fun as well. If you want to play melee, you lady friend could play any of the caster classes---since you are thinking dervish I am thinking you will be playing nightfall and will then be getting heroes to complement what ever area you are missing out in....so she can play whatever she wishes (paragons while a melee class also can heal and other such things so dont rule them out either). Have a great time playing together and welcome! __________________ where is the 'all you can eat' cookie bar?

May 15, 2008, 11:59 PM // 23:59	#8
The Meth Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2007 Profession: R/	Since you are in nightfall take some extra time to learn about all of the classes if you can and get some good builds on your heroes. Whatever classes you are playing heroes are very good at filling in the gaps. Every character gets a number of free 'hero skill points' which give free skills for both yourself and heroes, and if you want a specific skill for a hero you can pvp and spend 1k faction to unlock it for them. In fact, 99% of the time well set up heroes will be better then the people you will find in outposts. But they have to be set up well, if you set them up bad they will perform bad. Last edited by The Meth; May 16, 2008 at 12:01 AM // 00:01..

May 15, 2008, 11:21 PM // 23:21	#2
Breakfast Mc Rit Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2008 Guild: [Sin] Profession: Me/	A Dervish and a Monk would compliment each other in my opinion, but any two classes should do well enough together considering your experience playing together. If you play together all of the time, you'll both have heroes to fill the rest of the slots. If you're particularly good at the game you'll be able to do most, if not all of the game without outside help.

May 15, 2008, 11:24 PM // 23:24	#3
anonymous Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2006	1. To compliment a dervish bring a class that does damage. Damage + damage = more damage. The faster you kill things the better. Another choice would be a monk so you could stay alive, but I find heroes work fine in most cases. 2. I've beaten all 3 games with a friend and 6 heroes or just me with heroes/hench. You can do the same.

May 15, 2008, 11:37 PM // 23:37	#4
ElinoraNeSangre Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Near Seattle, WA Guild: Talionis De Cineris [EXUR] Profession: N/Me	My husband and I usually try to pair a caster with a non-caster. For instance, we're playing Prophecies with a Ranger/Mesmer, Nightfall with a Ranger/Ele, and Factions with Ele/Warrior. As just some ideas of what we've done. However, heroes fill out everything just fine, so your absolute best bet is play what you like to play.

May 15, 2008, 11:39 PM // 23:39	#5
Maca Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Guardians Of The Stars Profession: Me/Mo	1. It really doesn't matter, she can pick any class she wants since you dont ""really need to play classes that complement each other to succeed" in GW. Well thats just my expirence and opinon.Btw. how come you get to pick a class and not her!?:P 2. and yes, with Heros ( which you get in NF) and henchs. you can beat whole game alone.

May 16, 2008, 02:16 AM // 02:16	#9
kazjun Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: HoVa Profession: W/N	1. Ultimately, with 8 man parties, you can both play whatever class you like and fill in the rest of the slots with your heroes. It's good to have at least one human play melee, cause if you ever need to go trinity, you'll need someone who can control aggro and knows how to corner block etc. Heroe's aren't so good at that type of positioning. Having a human healer of some sort is also really useful, cause when you get quests where you have to protect and keep some NPC alive, having a human who knows to prot and heal the NPC will make things much easier. Also, go a class you can both stand to play. You may want to go melee, and if she goes monk she can heal and you can do a lot of stuff just the two of you, no heroes or henchies. But I'd say that monking is almost like a life style choice. Some people enjoy monking and keeping things alive, others can't stand it and get bored very easily, just making red bars go up. 2. Yes, two people with 6 heroes can easily beat all three campaigns and the expansion. With two people and 6 heroes you'll also be able to do the elite areas later as well, once you get some experience. Anyway, welcome to Guild Wars.

May 16, 2008, 07:13 AM // 07:13	#10
Master Ketsu Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2006 Location: middle of nowhere Guild: Krazy Guild With Krazy People [KrZy] Profession: R/	It doesn't matter what classes the both of you play as long as your team brings a decent balance of healing / protection / utility / damage then your fine in pve. Just be sure that you and your GF both have 3 heroes. Always use the hero's instead of henchies. Henchmen can only be controlled as a group and to say that their builds suck would be an understatement.

May 16, 2008, 08:14 AM // 08:14	#12
Ben-A-BoO Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Europe	Hey, The best advice came from ElinoraNeSangre so far ... play what you like. You will get all (heroes) that you two need to 'finish' the game. However, I'll advice to go for Dervish and Paragon if Nightfall is the only Guild Wars campaign you own. This is for the reason that both classes were introduced to the game in this campaign and you will have almost all the skills at your disposal. Other classes have skills that you'll only can get if you own another campaign. Which can be frustrating. Other classes have on the flip side more potential to grow with you if you plan to purchase the other campaigns as well in the near future ... choices choices ... But the beauty of Guild Wars is that it does not need as much grind as WoW and many people have 6-8 max level characters ... so just get out there and test what you like best. And last but not least... A Warm welcome to Guild Wars. Have fun.

May 16, 2008, 08:16 AM // 08:16	#13
PyrAnkh Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: Lowbird Academy [LoW] Profession: W/	For dervish, there are many bad examples in this topic. (no, d/n for barbs is a really bad idea). D/W is okay, you get acces to interupts like distracting blow, and you could use rush as a free speedboost (since you do not require adrenaline anyway). D/E is quite good if you use it with conjure element, say conjure flame and a fiery scythe. D/Mo could be usefull, just watch that you dont end up taking anything to heal other players or yourself too much. You can think of mending touch, though. D/A gives you acces to a teleport...and thats about it. D/Me might be usefull for hex breaker.